Cyres Cafe plays host to Brian Wong. The First Guest in Cyres Cafe Conversations.

Thank You Brian, for being such an important part of The Cyres Story.

You have a lot of interest in Life, and Living Your Highest Potential, and we celebrate that.

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Brian is a serial entrepreneur from Malaysia … and all round great guy.

An accountant by training, he also has a degree in holistic nutrition and is a certified colon hydrotherapist and a FISAF certified fitness leader.

In 1999, Brian was the Chief Operating Officer of one of the first internet companies in Asia. Raising over US$5 million and taking the company public in Singapore.

Brian has since founded several million dollar companies in Malaysia. He was voted among the Top 40 Entrepreneurs under the age of 40 in Malaysia in 2006.

He is now developing a a boutique residential development and wellness center with some partners in Malaysia, www.clearwater.com.my

Brian believes in building multiple streams of residual income.

In his own words:

“A few years ago, I was in the worst phase of my life and I am grateful to have been there though. I was overweight, stressed out and the company I worked for was in financial difficulty! It was at this low point in my life that I learnt the great laws of life. Through a series of personal development seminars, I was guided to read three books that have forever changed my life. The first is called “As a Man Thinketh”, the second was “Think and Grow Rich” by Napoleon Hill and the third was (you guessed it) “The Science of Getting Rich” by Wallace D. Wattles. All three books describe the Law of Attraction perfectly!

As an amateur student I began to apply the principles and primarily working on my mind and body to get into the “right” vibrations. My life completely turned around. To appreciate where I came, I though you might have a laugh looking at this picture!

Haha! Yes, I like laughing at it too! I am so happy that I discovered the Law of Attraction and I have since become financially secured and I have a wonderful family and spiritual life!

Now, when I came across the Secret in April 2006, I was incredibly moved that somebody could put what I know and believe in into a frame of reference where anyone can learn and appreciate this. I wanted to share it with the world and that I did. Everyone who knows me would know that some point or rather I have recommended them to get the Secret DVD and to study it daily.

To show you how powerful the Law of Attraction is - one of the many people I introduced the movie to finally introduced me to Bob Proctor via a common business associate.”

Tune in to Cyres Cafe Conversations, with Cris and Brian:

Transcript

Welcome to Cyres Café. Conscious Creation, wherever you look.

Welcome to Cyres Cafe Conversations.
The podcast for pioneering conscious creation.

Including conversations with the coolest creators from around the world.

In this delicious serving, Cris Van Cleemput welcomes Brian Wong.

Brian Wong is a successful entrepreneur from Malaysia.

After spending 8 years working in the corporate finance industry as an employee, Brian was inspired to start building businesses of his own after attending a seminar by Anthony Robbins in 2002.

In the last 5 years, he has built a portfolio of successful businesses, that include, media publishing, property investment, and a wellness centre.

Brian credits his success to his diligent study and application of personal development programs.

Brian has attended courses by some of the world’s top self development teachers, such as Anthony Robbins, Jay Abraham, Robert Kiyosaki, Robert Allen, Jack Canfield, Bob Proctor, John Gray and John Demartini, among many others.

Today, Brian is financially free at the age of 34 and is passionate about joining the global movement to share the timeless secret of success with others, in what is now popularly known as, the “Law of Attraction”.

Now, courtesy of Cyres Cafe, Cris Van Cleemput in conversation with Brian Wong.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Brian, I would first like to welcome you to Cyres Café. It is really an honor for us to have you on this Podcast.

BRIAN WONG:

That’s fine. It’s a pleasure to be on the interview with you. We must be doing something right when we, when people ask you to be on interviews.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Indeed.

You went from overweight, sick, stressed out and broke in 2002, to being wealthy, healthy again, happy, and today you say you can save a lot of people a lot of time and effort by sharing what helped you the most through this journey. Could you tell us more on this?

BRIAN WONG:

Sure. Back in 2002, when I, I mean you’ve got that description from my website, which is what I put up and it’s true because in the year 2002, I was, at the time, the head of a company, which was in financial distress, and I was overweight and terribly unhappy, and in a relatively short time, within this last five years, it is as though my life has taken a straight direction up, to where it is today, and all that has to do with a shift in my mindset. So what happened 2002 at this time, which was, I would consider it almost like a bottomless pit in my life when I look back now. It’s through a series of, well, I suppose coincidences. One of my new friends invited me to attend a personal development seminar by Anthony Robbins. And since then life has not been the same because it ignited a hunger for me to continuously seek to improve myself, rather than to improve the environment around me. And the reason why I say I can save people a lot of time is because, just like how, what Tony Robbins did for me, which was to provide, sort of like coaching or mentoring, it really saves you a lot of time, from having to make the distincts yourself, and to go through that learning experience through the hard way. That’s what I mean by that statement.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Could you tell me, Brian, what specifically made this pivoting point in yourself to really go after this mindset. Was it a very specific event, or, a very specific situation where you really decided, well I want this change in my life, I want to do things differently, I want to have a different future, was there a very specific thing on this?

BRIAN WONG:

Well I think that the difference is the paradigm shift in the mind, and it makes such a dramatic difference, because prior to that point in my life I was, you know, I didn’t have a very clear or specific goals about what I wanted in my life. I was also not sure about who I was as a person. I’m trying to put myself into the shoes of someone who has not gone through a period of self-discovery. They would just go through life, trying to handle the situations that come on a day to day basis and what I’m trying to describe which would be very impossible in five minutes to describe the change. But if I were to describe it, it was, it’s just basically a shift in the mindset as to what’s possible. So I went from being me, being controlled by my environment, to the reverse, where, it was very clear, it’s like a very clear picture that everything in my life is created by what I do and what I say and what I think, and it’s not the other way around, where things happen to me and then I have to decide how to handle it. I hope that explains to your Listeners. But that’s fundamentally the shift.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

So basically, Brian, if I understand you correctly, there was a specific time where you got much more clarity about what you really wanted out of life?

BRIAN WONG:

Well, that’s perfect. That’s what I’m trying to express. I mean, it’s basically, it’s like you know how people say, I was blind now I can see, you know, all those are just analogies but it’s so true because the effect of epiphany or a revelation, you know it’s just a shift in the mind, and you can see exactly what life is about and how you can go through it to get the most out of life.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

And, Brian, to come back on this because I think a lot Listeners will find this to be very interesting, because most of the people who are stuck in life and who have quite an unclear focus, they find themselves troubled by emotions. I sometimes call it an emotional swamp. You have a good day. You have a bad day. But basically these emotions hinder you quite extensively in really getting this clear focus. How did this change in you happen? How did you get control over these limiting emotions and how did you handle these situations?

BRIAN WONG:

Well, if anyone has been through a Tony Robbins course, now I’ve been to many courses, it just so happened the first one I went to was a Tony Robbins course. One of the things that he teaches us right from the beginning, is how to control our emotions, and the power of emotions, and that, in his philosophy, which I practice daily, is that your emotions are determined by your physiology, your focus, and the language you use inside your head. These three simple themes, can turn a person from depressed to euphoric. It could be the difference between sadness and happiness. Even sickness and health. It’s all to do with your emotions. So the first thing a person needs to realize is that you control your emotions by these three things, and these three things are within your control. And it’s the opposite to that is where external factors control your emotions. Well I’ll give you an example. If a child is crying, for example, and if you would be able to change the physiology of the child and have the child look up into the sky instead of looking down for example. Instead of having the shoulders hunched forward, to lean it back. The child, who does not understand what’s happening , would suddenly stop crying or would find a shift in their emotions and as adults we forget how these things work, but it’s really that simple.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Brian, to give another example that you perhaps practice. In the morning, you get awake, you get out of bed, you find yourself to be fearful, or frightened, or perhaps a bit sad. How do you go about this emotion? How do you handle this? How would you change this emotion from this point of view?

BRIAN WONG:

Well the easiest way to do it and to get instantaneous results is to instantly change what your body is doing, because if you wake up in the morning and you feel sad or depressed, observe how your body is, the energy would be focused downward. It would be very physically, every emotion has a physical expression. See what I do every morning when I wake up is, the first thing I do is go for a run or a workout in the gym and instantly when you’re, if you’re feeling depressed, if you’re running, your physical body has shifted, the energy has shifted and you can no longer feel the negative emotions that you were in, when your body was stationary, or the way it was when you first woke up. So physiology is one of the first and easiest things to address. The second thing is your focus. Now, for someone to feel depressed or sad, obviously in their mind, there are pictures. We think in pictures. So the pictures would be of whatever the event is that would be causing that emotion and to change that, all you need to do is focus on the thoughts that make you happy, or the particular emotions that you want to accomplish. And the third thing is the language, which is, you know, some people wake up and they say, you know, I feel sad, and the language which they use in their head also determines their physical expression of the emotion, so, when I’m running in the gym, I have an incantation where I tell myself, “every day, in every way, I’m getting stronger and happier and healthier” and I say that all the time while I’m running on the treadmill, so if I could just give some advice to your Listeners, that’s to focus on these three simple things, to your physical body, which is your physiology, your focus of your mind, the pictures that you hold in your head, and third is the language, the words you use to talk to yourself in your head. If you can control these three things, you can basically control your emotions and hence determine your actions and hence your results.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Is there a specific phrase, Brian, you just mentioned one which you use in the gym, is there a specific phrase that you use throughout the day, which basically boosts your level of self-confidence, your level of self-awareness. Is there such a specific phrase for you?

BRIAN WONG:

Well, I use quite a few different phrases and like I said, these are called incantations, and it helps to use them, and it should roll off your tongue quite easily, and what I mentioned earlier is that “every day, in every way,” that’s a very easy thing to say off the tip of the tongue. I say, “every day, in every way, I’m getting stronger and faster and happier.” And that’s very physical because that’s what I say to myself when I’m exercising in the gym.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Brian, for instance, if people tell themselves well “every day, and in every way, I feel better about my life,” but they still feel lousy, most people will say, well basically I’m tricking myself, I’m not being honest to myself. How would you explain it to them what it really means?

BRIAN WONG:

How I would explain it is that you’re trying to talk to your subconscious, instead of your conscious mind, and the subconscious mind communicates in ways that are, we’re not accustomed to, it happens on a very unconscious level. Well when you have a phrase that is empowering. That gets you the results that you want. I mean, you have to be clear that when you say this phrase, you’re saying it because you’re saying it for yourself, not because someone else told you to say it. Right. So if you want to be in a empowering state to be happy, or what not, when you repeat a phrase constantly it plays in your subconscious mind and soon the results will occur. The commercial ventures out there know this very well. I mean if you go to supermarkets and they have specific music playing in the background. There are messages there that are intended to get you into the buying mode. Another example I could use is that when someone is going about their day, and they might hear a little tune, on the radio, or in the background, and pretty soon they find themselves humming that tune without being aware of it. So I can understand why some people might feel skeptical about this process, but it’s a process proven by science and I would advise that you only do it if you want the results. I mean, how badly to you want to feel good.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

So basically you say, how badly are you motivated to really change your life.

BRIAN WONG:

My belief is that if a person wants to improve their life, there’s nothing they won’t try, because there’s no harm, right, because if the person doesn’t take any action whatsoever, that’s probably worse, so, I’m always game to try something once, if it promises to give me a particular result that I want.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

You’ve been just talking about processes. One of the processes, bringing thoughts from the conscious to the subconscious mind. Processes brings us very easily to laws. What, according to you, are the most basic laws in creation, to creating your dream life?

BRIAN WONG:

Well this is a very tough question. I don’t have specific laws so to speak. I do agree with some of the teachings, where we talk about law of attraction and the law of cause and effect. I mean I believe that these are physical, scientific laws. So, I appreciate your question, but, what I want to share, that when I look at life, I don’t focus so much on these laws. But I do have a set of guiding principles, or a better way to describe it would be my own personal code of ethics. And that’s what I use on a day to day basis.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Could you share us a bit more of this code of ethics that you use, Brian?

BRIAN WONG:

Sure. I wrote a list of ten things that I decided that that was what I would be about.* I’ll give you a few examples. I won’t run through the whole list, but, for example, the first one is to look upon all people with kind eyes and an open heart. Ok. So that’s how I conduct myself. I live each day proactively searching for new learning and new ideas . Another guide would be, to seek results above commendation or recognition. To make good time for my family and my friends. To always be on the side of integrity, truth and reason. So these are simple things that I just wrote out a list of ten things that I want my life to be about and I’ve not deviated from this code since the time I wrote it down.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

A lot of these ethics that you use, Brian, when we watch modern television, a lot of these principles are violated. Do you still watch television?

BRIAN WONG:

Well, my views on television are quite strong. First of all, let me tell you, I’m a regular guy, if you put on a entertaining show on tv, just like everyone else, I would enjoy watching television. So, don’t get me wrong, I’m not some freak of nature. I don’t watch television anymore. And it is, the way that I have accommodated this is that I don’t have an antenna in my house. So if you can picture this. This is my living room. I have a 42” plasma television in my house, which is not hooked up to an anten’. So I don’t have a satellite dish, nothing. So if you turn on the television, all you get is static and some sound. So I did that by design, so I can’t physically watch television, even if I wanted to. Ok. But I do watch movies on DVD or empowering movies that I choose. I choose a time that I want to watch it and I choose what I want to watch. So that’s the difference. The reason why it got that way is because growing up I’ve been quite addicted to watching the television. And increasingly more so nowadays a lot of the content of television is just not worth our time. You can easily lose two or three hours just watching television. If you add up all that time, there’s just so much more in life that you can enjoy.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Indeed I totally agree. Talking about television and movies and favorite movies, Brian. ‘The Secret’ is one of your favorite movies. How did you find out about ‘The Secret’ and why is it one of your favorite movies?

BRIAN WONG:

Well this is, this movie has had such a profound impact on my life. I couldn’t even begin to describe. Let me just address how I first discovered it. I was sent an email, or several emails, about this movie and I had gone online to watch the trailer of the movie. This was 2006. The movie came out in March. Probably around, I forget the time, but probably around, April, or May, I was watching some of these trailers. But, I was very intrigued, but I didn’t go about my way to get a hold of the movie. And it wasn’t until some of my friends in my mastermind group, because I’m part of a monthly group that meets together, got a hold of the DVD and suggested I watch it and so the interest was there, but it was through the intent of wanting to watch this movie that eventually I got a hold of this movie, and the first time I watched it, I watched it twice in a row. I mean I re-wound it and I watched it again. So. And that’s because I think that this experience I had was like the majority of people who watch it. I identified the principles in that movie to be so real and it so accurately described my experiences over the last five years. My positive transformational experiences. That for the first time I felt that it was communicated well. Because in the past, I would have to talk about one teacher, and then the next teacher, and then someone else, and then this experience, and then that experience. This movie for the first time in one simple communicative medium has explained everything that’s in my beliefs of what it takes to be successful and to be happy. So that’s why I enjoy the movie so much.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Another movie, Brian, along these lines, is the movie, ‘What The Bleep Do We Know!?’ How would you compare these two movies and what, according to you, are the similarities and the difference between the two movies?

BRIAN WONG:

Yes, yes, ‘What The Bleep Do We Know!?’ was the first. I saw that years ago. And that was, again, introduced to me through, well it was introduced to me through a friend that has gone through the same path that I have. We’ve both been through the same self development courses. And that movie was quite incredible, quite ground-breaking, because it was the first time we’re introduced to the fact that there’s a scientific link between all the concepts that we appreciate so much in personal development and science. So I think ‘What The Bleep Do We Know!?’ bridges the gap because, whereas before, people used to think, well, you know, these people are interested in personal development, they’re ‘rah rah’ and happy people, but now there is a scientific link between what is being taught in personal development and what is being discovered in science.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Would you say, Brian, that if you compare ‘What The Bleep’ to ‘The Secret,’ that ‘The Bleep’ is more scientifically based and ‘The Secret’ is more accessible to more people. Would you put it this way?

BRIAN WONG:

Yes I think that’s quite accurate. I’d say ‘What The Bleep’ focuses more on explaining the science behind our reality. The part about how quantum physics and thoughts are similar. Whereas ‘The Secret’ has an amazing job of teaching us how to use our thoughts in the positive way and in an empowering way. So I believe that ‘What The Bleep’ sets the scientific foundation for a person to really appreciate the practical benefits of watching ‘The Secret.’

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Some of your mentors are Bob Proctor, Anthony Robbins, as we’ve already been discussing, Jay Abraham, and Craig Barett. What has basically the best advice you’ve received from each of these people?

BRIAN WONG:

You know I’ve learnt from so many people, that it’s hard to pick one thing out of each person because ultimately what I find comforting to know is that for every seminar or every course that I attend, or every mentor that I learnt from, there is such a vast amount of overlap between everything that they teach. I say that, that’s very comforting to me, because it tells me, over and over again, or it re-affirms to me that there are universal truths to living a abundant and happy life. That, I mean every time I go to a seminar and I hear things that I’ve heard, or learnt before, you know, I don’t get disappointed. In fact, I get very happy that I know, aahh, this is a good point, and I, I, you know, it reinforces that into me. You know, if I go to a seminar and if 90% of the things I’ve learnt before and just 10%, or even if it’s just one thing that I learnt that’s new, I would be very happy, very satisfied with the program.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Talking about the program, like The SGR Program, which you are a big partner in, how did you become a partner in business with Bob Proctor in this program?

BRIAN WONG:

Well I believe that that’s purely the Law of Attraction. You know, I believe in The Secret so much. Right from the beginning, even before we became aware of The Program. You know that, I was trying to find many ways, where I could get a more deeper involvement with the teachers in The Program and what I’ve been doing is sharing the movie with friends and inviting them over and watching the movie and one of the people who watch the movie for the first time at my house was an associate, or is associated with one of Bob Proctor’s business partner. His name is Gerry Robert. And so it’s my intention to get more involved with the teachings and the teachers behind ‘The Secret’ and the next thing I know, this friend of mine, has introduced me to Gerry Robert. And this was back in December last year. And Gerry Robert was scheduled to go to Australia and he just decided to make a short detour to come to Malaysia, where I’m from. So that just goes to show you how powerful the Law of Attraction is. We can bring people all the way, half way around the world, fly 24 hours and land in our doorstep. So it was this one meeting that Gerry hinted of the future of this Program that’s going to be launched this year. And you know, there was no hesitation. There was nothing that was shown to us, it was just the concept and the idea. And I liked it immediately. I liked the idea of being able to share the concept of The Secret to everyone and to incentivize everyone with the benefits of sharing The Program. And on that basis alone, I decided to become an affiliate with the Program and I’ve not looked back since.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

You’ve created, in between, very diverse business, from publishing to health. What, according to you, is the mindset required to manifest millions?

BRIAN WONG:

I think you need a good system. And the way that I look at my businesses is that they all follow along the same system. And I talk about this system. The fundamentals of this system in my webinars. Where there’s five key factors that I look for. The business has to have a massive market for the product or a service that you’re going to deliver. That’s number one. Number two is, you have to have a compelling offer, with, you offer such great amount of value that the price becomes insignificant to your customer. The third is that you have to have a very efficient marketing channel for this, and my prefered modes of marketing that are through word of mouth or through viral marketing. The fourth factor is that the business that you set up has got to be automated and scaleable, which means that if you sell one product or a million products, it should not cause a big shift in your business principles. And the fifth factor is that your business has to have some degree of uniqueness. If there’s something generic, I’d rather not get involved, but if there’s something that has something special or something unique, that will peak my interest. So all the business that I’ve set up has these unique qualities, all these five, and, the common thread among all of them is that I have a passionate interest in all of them, so the reason why we set up a wellness centre was because I feel very strongly that health is one of my top values, it’s very important, and to be able to help other people become healthy and well, that’s a very fulfilling or satisfying feeling for me. I’m also very interested in technology. My Wife will tell you that I’m too interested in technology, because I buy every gadget that’s available. But I love things to do with cutting edge. About how to use more technology and information to benefit, so that’s why the internet’s such a good proportion of my business as well.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Talking, Brian, about setting up learning centres, and one of the books about basically getting the life you want, it’s a classic, is ‘The Science of Getting Rich,’ and ‘Think And Grow Rich.’ A lot of people have read these books during a lot of years. Why do you think that most people, who have also read these books, do not get rich?

BRIAN WONG:

You know it’s very fascinating that you asking me this question because, the book which I’m writing at the moment, it’s about 70% done, is about how to apply ‘The Science of Getting Rich’ and the reason why I feel a lot of people don’t get rich after reading these books is because there is a key difference between reading a book, and understanding, and applying the knowledge from the book. And I find it fascinating that you asked me this question because I have read ‘The Science of Getting Rich’ in excess of twenty times. And that’s not an exaggeration, because if you look at the copy of my book, it is so worn out, with so many highlights. I’ve almost highlighted every part of the book. With notes on the side and so on and so forth. And you know what, I’m still getting new insights when I read it, as I do my research to write the book. So, you know ‘Think and Grow Rich’ is a much thicker book, with a lot more content, so, it’s not surprising to me that the person who reads it once will not be able to apply 100% all the teachings in the book. But by that same token, I am 100% certain that anybody who actually reads the book, and applies, not even 100%, even if it’s 50% of the content of the instructions in the book, they will certainly become rich. Without a doubt in my mind.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Coming back to the book, ‘Think and Grow Rich,’ one of the lines that comes back in the book is, you need to have an all consuming desire to really go after the dream of you. The dream that you really want to get realized. I believe very firmly in this all consuming desire, but what I see in a lot of people when I talk to them, when I coach them, when I have them in my seminars, I see a lot of people having a hard time finding their passion, having a hard time discovering their real desire. Do you recommend a technique, or a tool, to people, to really discover this passion, because once you have this passion, then of course you are set to go, but as long as you do not have yet this passion, it’s a tougher thing, I believe.

BRIAN WONG:

I agree with you 100%. I would imagine that this single passion is all you need, because if you have the desire, everything else, you would create a way to achieve your goal. If we could see each other in person, I would show you what I wear on my wrist and it’s basically a, these rubber bands that are made popular from Lance Armstrong. I’ve got a red one that says, live with passion.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

And red is a good color for it, huh.

BRIAN WONG:

Oh yeh, absolutely.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

It’s the color of energy and fire.

BRIAN WONG:

Yeh, it’s like a constant reminder to me every day. And passion is a very interesting word. If you look at the roots of its origins, it means, suffering. But a passionate person doesn’t mind the suffering, because, you know, you derive a lot of pleasure or satisfaction from the work that you put in. You know, that’s how I look at it, I mean, I live my life with passion because I find things that I really enjoy doing. And if you were to put someone else, who doesn’t have the same interest or passion in my shoes, some of the work that I do, they might find it as torturous. But, to me, every single moment, and I really mean, every single moment, I don’t feel any point where there’s a drop in my energy because I’m so engaged in it and this is the freedom of my, it’s my own choosing. I choose to be engaged in this, the various projects that I do.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Do you feel, Brian, that this passion grows over time, or do you feel for yourself it’s something that stays to the same level? Or does it increase along the way, the passion for a subject?

BRIAN WONG:

Ok. I find that it starts off gradual. And then it shoots up real high. I mean, like I get very passionate. And then it sustains a gradual pace throughout. So, nobody told me this is, it’s just my own personal interest of how I feel. So you start off with a vaguely interest in a particular area. And it’s very quick, from the time that interest becomes an all consuming desire and when it gets to that stage, it just keeps burning. It doesn’t go any higher. It doesn’t go any lower. It just keeps burning until you achieve your goal and then once you’ve derived that satisfaction, then the next thing interests you and the next thing and the next thing. So that’s how it’s been for me, when I started my businesses, in the internet, in health, in network marketing, in publishing, in books and magazines. It’s like one step leading to another step and it’s guided by the staying emotion of passion for me.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Do you believe, Brian, that, coming back on this passion, that basically, most people, in order to get them some success, and in order to believe more in their dreams, that they should begin small and then continue to dream bigger and bigger? Or would you advise people to dream big all the time?

BRIAN WONG:

Well that’s an easy question. I think you should dream big all the time, because, I think Donald Trump said it, it doesn’t cost you any more or less to dream big or small, so why not dream big. And I believe that there’s no such thing as a big dream being more difficult to accomplish than a small dream. If a person gets frustrated that a dream doesn’t get realized in a short amount of time, then I would say, the problem is not in the dream, but the problem is in the desire to fulfill that dream. But I think that everyone should always dream big. I think it’s sinful to not be the best that you can be, because the purpose in life is to really fulfill God’s vision in us and for us to deny that would be sinful, I believe.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

By dreaming big all the time, they could be more frustrated that their dream hasn’t yet turned into physical reality.

BRIAN WONG:

Well, I think that any dream that’s worth pursuing will always encounter resistance. We’re talking about laws earlier and Bob Proctor taught me about the law of polarity. There’s always opposites. So, if you pursue a dream that does not have, I won’t call them obstacles, but challenges, then it’s probably, you’re not dreaming big enough. So there was a quotation, that says that, all truth goes through three stages. The first stage is that it would be ridiculed. So, that’s the step one. And then the second phase is that it would be violently opposed. And it’s only in the third phase that it becomes accepted as self-evident. So when I engage in a dream, or I’m pursuing a dream, and periodically some people, who learn of what you’re doing, they might make fun of you and say, oh you know, do you really want to do that, and blah blah blah, and I say, oh good, I’m on the right track. And as the dream, as the dream becomes more and more real, as it comes to its fruition, sometimes we encounter opposition, even more stern, or even more violent opposition.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Coming back to this dream, Brian, it is more easy for most people to dream something which is accepted by society, or by your environment, but what if you dream of something which is completely in opposite value to what your current environment believes in. How would you tackle this hindrance or these limitations?

BRIAN WONG:

Everything that I’ve pursued so far. Well, take network marketing, for example. Today, if you talk to a person who is uninitiated, and they tell their family and friends, oh I’ve just started a network marketing business, and the first thing they’ll do is, they will get ridiculed. Oh why do this, why do that. Why they don’t understand the logic or the principles behind it, but as they become more and more successful, and they begin to, for example, if they start to earn more than what their job is and they quit their job, you’d find pretty soon that their friends would stop becoming their friends, because when they become financially independent and they no longer have to work, you know, they’re going to be on a different level or a different vibration to their friends and naturally they start to become disapproving. Now when you hit the third phase, when a person becomes a multi-millionaire from network marketing, guess what, everyone’s called their friends. Yeh, they say, hey you’re my long lost friend, you know, teach me how you do that. I think a person should be open minded towards all subjects. You know, it’s, network marketing is not for everyone, but I do think it’s been a wonderful blessing to me, because I’m a top leader in my organization and I get a wonderful income every month from it, without fail. And I don’t have to even work at it any more. We’ve put all these systems up in place, where there are other people, are presenting and we have online presentations that are recorded and replaying all the time. I mean, that’s just one example. I have a wellness centre that specializes in colon hydrotherapy, or colonics, and you know, when I first ventured into this area, again a lot of people laughed at it. Well, you know, they made funny jokes about butt washing, or, you know, some very crude, very crude jokes about it. And in the next phase, we even had, when we became successful, we’ve had opposition from medical doctors in areas who said you shouldn’t do this kind of things. And today, having been established for four years, incidentally I’m working with the Ministry of Health here in Malaysia to promote alternative therapies. Now I’m getting everyone, including doctors, coming up to me and saying, oh can you show us how to set these things up. And so you see, Cris, these three steps are so common and so predictable, that I think you should use them as a guide that you’re on the right track.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Do you never get disappointed then, Brian, in people, because, when you just tell your story about how it went in Malaysia with the health business you’re in. First, basically, people, they ridicule you, then they sort of break you down and then after four years they want to have you all over their place. Do you sometimes have bad feelings then about people, or how do you go about these kind of situations?

BRIAN WONG:

Well, I’m human like everyone else and what I can share with everyone is that, it’s quite natural and quite normal to have feelings of disappointment, or whenever you go through challenges. But what I can very confidently share with everyone is that, as you practice these principles of overcoming the obstacles, it becomes very apparent that such feelings are temporary and, I would call them illusions, because they’re temporary, and when you progress and persist and stick to your vision, despite what everyone else is saying, it gets very much easier. Very much easier. I hope that’s one bit of confidence that I can impart on your Listeners. You just think about it, when you’re earning millions, you don’t really care about what people think anymore, up to a certain point. So the point here is, that it’s very natural to feel sad and disappointed. But if you employ the lessons that you’ve learnt, about changing your physiology, and focusing on your goals, and changing your emotions, you’ll get the results and the results make it easier for you then to go through the same obstacles with less disappointment. So it’s like a constantly improving cycle.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Do you also feel, Brian, when you talk about a constant improving cycle, that friends change in your environment, or do you say, well basically those friends that I have they stick to for me as long as I can remember, or do you feel that as you go along friends also change. What is your history? Or what is your expertise in this?

BRIAN WONG:

Well, I can tell you, for sure, that your friends will change. I mean, you have different friends, because, the thing is, not everyone is at a similar stage in your life where they’re all ready to change for the better. Now there’s no right or wrong here. My period of change was in 2001. That’s when I started my journey of change. And all my friends who have been, we’ve been friends for more than, you know, 15 years, or 17 years, when that time of change came for me, it may not have been the time of change for them, see. So when we start taking off in a whole different direction, it’s not uncommon for friends to be no longer close. I mean, we’re still friends, don’t get me wrong. We still meet up occasionally. But it’s not the same as the peers, or the people that you spend most of your time with. But on that same token, when a certain group of friends fade into a more distant relationship, you then get a huge group of friends who then become, who fill that void, and who are ready for that change, or who are in that same mindset as you are. So today I have, I mean I’m not exaggerating, when I say I have thousands of friends around the world. And it’s true, because of the things that we do. Let me take for example this interview, you know, I consider you a friend of mine, Cris, and we talk along the same lines and, even though we’ve not met in person, we share the same creative ideas of improvement. So, yes, friends will evolve and I view that as a good thing.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

I agree.

BRIAN WONG:

And you never know, when some of the old friends, who you’ve known for many many years, when their time comes, when they are ready for change, then they could benefit from your experience, or then you can come closer together again.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Do you feel, Brian, that every man, or every woman, when progressing in life walks sometimes in solitude, or do you believe that there’s always friends surrounding you? What is your experience in this?

BRIAN WONG:

I wouldn’t say I’m religious, but I have strong faith in Christianity, which is my religion, and I think that whatever your endeavors in life, has to be grounded on strong spirituality. And it doesn’t matter what religion it is, whether it’s Buddhist or Islamic or Christian or any kind of religion, because I think that fundamentally, that, our life on this planet, our very purpose of being, is to glorify the creator, or the person who created us. So, I feel that, we’re never alone, because God is always with us and that fundamentally if you strip away everything that we have, our belongings, our house, our cars, our clothes, all we have left is our relationship with God. So it’s critically important that, whatever religion, there has to be a spiritual foundation behind the individual, in order for them to achieve great success.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Could you say, Brian, that your first and foremost relationship is first the one with yourself? Secondly the one with God, but this could also be considered as the first one. And then, the third, being relationship you have with others, like your wife, like your children, like your friends. Is this the way you perceive life to be?

BRIAN WONG:

Well, we have this conversation regularly with my wife, and we view our relationship as a threesome. So God is in the middle and then the both of us. Again I wish we could see each other. I’m making a sign with my fingers; I’ve got my thumb against my thumb, and my index finger against my index finger, so it’s like a triangle. And it’s, a triangle is the strongest shape in life, because, whenever relationships between human beings have had strains, we are bonded by our relationship with God, which is number one, if you are asking me for priorities. Then it will always be brought back together. Whereas if we didn’t have that relationship with God, and every time our relationship strayed, it would end up with a irreversible departure. And I think divorce rates are very high nowadays, in fact, it’s more than 50% of all marriages end up in divorce. And I think that’s very sad, because if a marriage is built on spiritual foundation it can never end. So, I think, to rank relationships is very difficult. I’d say, God is number one, always, and then everything else comes after that.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

I’ve read somewhere that you’d like to swim with Whale Sharks. What is that all about?

BRIAN WONG:

You read that on a blog, and that blog had just 2 or 3 things that I wrote down as my goals. I think that’s on Zaadz. The story behind that is that, you know, I have a book, where I’ve written, it’s like a running list of things that I want to do before I die. That’s the title. The title is ‘100 things to do before I die’.* You know, I got to be honest I think I’m only up to like 68 of things that I’ve written down of things that I want to do before I die. It’s hard you know, you try to fill up with 100 things that you want to do. It’s not easy. So every now and then when I read something or I get an intuitive sense of something I want to do I would write it down. I have a lot of recreational hobbies; I like to scuba dive, I like to swim, I like to play tennis, I like to ski, in the snow. I do a lot of physical activities. And scuba diving is something that I have been doing every year now since I was in college and I’ve never seen a whale shark. I mean, I’ve seen hammerheads, I’ve seen leopard sharks, I’ve seen different types of amazing creatures, but I have never seen a whale shark, so that’s one of the things I wrote down. That’s the story behind that.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

What is your wildest dream for the moment, Brian?

BRIAN WONG:

Well I have a set of goals, which are not wild to me. I mean, I have set goals since 2001, like I said, and one of the goals that I have set was to live in, you know this might not be everyone’s goal, but I wanted to live in an apartment that overlooks the Kuala Lumpur twin towers

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

That’s a nice place to be, eh?

BRIAN WONG:

Oh, it’s a magnificent place. This dream of mine has been around since, oh I can’t even remember when, I mean, 6, 7 years ago. When I first looked at this magnificent place for my family; my wife and me, and you know I’m gonna have a son next month and this was a goal. This was like, back then it was my wildest dream. It’s a multi-million dollar apartment. It overlooks the park in front of the twin towers and this was at one time the tallest building in the world. Just a few weeks ago, we bought the place and if you were to rewind the clock back I would say that was my wildest dream, but that’s become my reality.

I mean there is whole Law Of Attraction story behind that as well, because if I could just share with you, the book, ‘The Science of Getting Rich’, there is a section which talks about how you should think on the creative plane instead of the competitive plane. And it talks about never feeling, being losing out to someone else because someone has took the best spot or has taken something that you wanted. And this is something I want to illustrate because, I mean, 6 years ago when we looked at this penthouse apartment, I couldn’t afford it. And I have always hesitated going back to the sales office to look at the apartment, because all the best units have been taken up. And it was only recently I had this intuitive feeling and every time I have this feeling I’ve come to recognize it now, that it’s something more than just intuition. It’s communication with a higher source. And I had this intuitive.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

It’s a sign.

BRIAN WONG:

Yeah, it’s a sign. So I had this intuitive feeling to go back and take a look. And I told my wife, hey, we have to go back to this sales office to take look at the apartments. Then my wife said to me, “Oh why bother. The last time we were there, it was all sold out, I mean all the major units”. And you know, I was very insistent and when we arrived at the sales office, guess what? One unit, the most sought after one at the top floor on the penthouse, overlooking with the best view became available on that very day that we went to the office. Yeah, I believe in ‘The Science of Getting Rich’ book very much because the wisdom contained within it is so profound. And the book says, if you follow the instructions without doubt with definite purpose, with faith in purpose, with the attitude of gratitude, everything that you want, will come in to your life. So, that’s one of my wildest dreams coming into reality.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Brian, before I let you fly. I’ve really enjoyed this talk. It was really, really a very open and profound talk. Really, I’m very grateful for this. What is the best advice you can give to our Listeners, if you were to advise them at the end of this podcast. If you were to advise them some phrases, some inspiration, what would you tell them?

BRIAN WONG:

My advice to Listeners is that I think that every human being has the potential within them to accomplish miraculous things. And our greatest problem is we are not aware of it, so if there is one advice that I hope to leave with your Listeners, and really the whole point of this interview is for the benefit of your Listeners. I really hope that people that listen to this become aware of the fact that they can have, do, or be, anything that they want, as long as they believe in it, and they have the passion to fulfill it. That’s the best advice I can think of at this present time.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Thank you very much Brian. Thank you, and I wish you all the success in the world, and I hope to see you soon sometime, in the physical.

BRIAN WONG:

Yes, well it’s been a great pleasure to be on your program and like I said I feel we are like minded individuals. I am very excited with your vision with Cyres Café, and I wish you tremendous success in it.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

Thank you.

BRIAN WONG:

I believe that you are going to change a lot of lives with what you are doing.

CRIS VAN CLEEMPUT:

That’s our aim. Thank you very much Brian, and hope to see you soon.

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* Brian Wong - My Life Beacon

1. To look upon all people with kind eyes and an open heart.
2. To live each day proactively searching for new learning and ideas.
3. To not be afraid and smile to all strangers who may be my potential friends.
4. To seek results above commendation and recognition.
5. To make good time for my family and friends.
6. To always be on the side of integrity, truth and reason.
7. To always know the meaning of humility and never put up barriers to learn or experience new things.
8. To not feel ‘cheated’ when choosing to do things no one else wants to do.
9. To live my life by my own principles and not by external perceptions.
10. To lead a life less ordinary.

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* Brian Wong - 100 Things I MUST Do In This Lifetime!

This is a running list:

1. Go on a Mediterranean cruise
2. Jump off an airplane - sky diving (done)
3. Bungee Jump
4. Obtain a black belt in Aikido (done)
5. Learn and be fluent in Mandarin
6. Learn and be fluent in Japanese
7. Learn and be Fluent in French
8. Learn and be Fluent in German
9. Get on the cover of Men’s health
10. Star in a major television commercial (done)
11. Fly in a helicopter
12. Travel first class around the world
13. Achieve US$20 million circle group member
14. Be a top level Yogist
15. Set up a multi-million dollar foundation for charity
16. Visit the Great Wall of China
17. Dive with dolphins/ whale shark/ giant manta ray
18. Have two children – boy and a girl
19. Play with grandkids
20. Ski in Aspen and Salt Lake City
21. Study Aikido in Japan (done)
22. Learn to play classical piano
23. Make love by the beach under a beautiful sunset (done)
24. Own a health restaurant/ café/ club
25. Visit the Holy Land
26. Celebrate my 30th and 60th wedding anniversary with Wendy and close friends
27. Get a hole in one in golf
28. See the Mona Lisa
29. Visit the Eiffel Tower (done)
30. Visit the Leaning Tower of Pisa
31. Go on Safari (but not shoot any animals)
32. Ride on a hot air balloon
33. Play guitar and sing in a rock band in front of a live audience (done)
34. Win a tennis tournament
35. Save a life
36. Ride a horse and play polo
37. Master yo-yo tricks
38. Learn to do a handstand
39. Spend one week at the Trump Tower
40. Learn to surf in Hawaii
41. Go for Team Elite Trip
42. Breakfast with Orang Utan
43. Pet a real tiger
44. Go on a charitable mission
45. Visit Greece
46. Go on boat cruise to Antarctica
47. Get on the cover of a Tattler type magazine
48. Own a sports car (done)
49. Arrive at a party in a stretched limousine
50. Make a great speech at my children’s wedding
51. Ride a Harley Davidson
52. Visit the pyramids
53. Spend two weeks at Chiva Som
54. Learn to ballroom dance/ salsa
55. Visit the tallest building in the world
56. Spend at least 2-5 years living by a beautiful beach in a penthouse home
57. Go to Cirque de Soleil
58. Read the entire Bible
59. Write a book
60. Run a 52km Marathon
61. Swim with sharks in an aquarium
62. Get a six pack muscular body
63. Ride an elephant in Thailand
64. Hang glide by the ocean
65. Learn Capoera
66. Race at the Sepang Formula 1 Racing Track!
67. Visit the world’s largest aquarium in Okinawa
68. Master 50 magic tricks/ illusions
69.

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Brian Wong - Goals

* Get on the cover of Men’s Health magazine
* Inspire others
* Start a foundation for helping children.
* Love my wife for life
* Swim with Whale Sharks!
* A Postiive Mental Attitude Always
* Sound Physical Health
* Harmony in Human Relations
* Freedom from Fear
* Hope for Future Achievement
* Capacity for Applied Faith
* Willingness to Share My Blessings
* To Be Engaged in a Labor of Love
* An Open Mind on All Subjects Towards All People
* Complete Self-Discipline
* Wisdom with Which to Understand People
* Financial Security

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Cyres Cafe salutes Brian Wong